What I remember myself from films, and what I love about films, is specific scenes and characters. If Wagner lived today he would probably work with film instead of music. He already knew back then that the "Great Artform" would include a sort of fourth dimension; it was really film he was talking about. "The first time I hung out with him, he took me to this condemned building, and it had a pizza oven (inside) and he crawled into the pizza oven and turned the heat on to 400 degrees or something like that, and he stayed in it for I guess a half hour. He came out, and except for one or two second-degree burns, he was unscathed. You meet a lot of musicians and filmmakers and actors, but it's rare to meet someone who can step inside a pizza oven and take the heat. I was intrigued by that." - On meeting David Blaine.